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In an attempt to provide a definition for the majority of cases, certain linguistic assumptions were made that seem to be characteristic of the majority, although not all, of the Old Tongue statements in the series. These are assumptions about word order. The first is the characteristic word order of the sentence: predicate-verb-subject. Many of the sentences follow this with the notable exception of "Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin." In my opinion. For more information on this exception, see the corresponding entry. It has been suggested that I also assume that the adjective would precede the noun, but there are numerous examples that seem to contradict this, so I have elected not to do this. By looking at the cross-referenced phrase, one can draw one's own conclusions. Many assumptions have also been made based on the idea that "an", "in" and "en" all seem to indicate pluralization. One of the major problems with attempting to compile this list is that I do not believe that Mr. Jordan made an effort to provide a basis for the Old Tongue until after ''The Eye of the World''. This is evidenced by the failure of phrases like "Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin" to follow established word order. Jordan has said that this is not true, however.
In an attempt to provide a definition for the majority of cases, certain linguistic assumptions were made that seem to be characteristic of the majority, although not all, of the Old Tongue statements in the series. These are assumptions about word order. The first is the characteristic word order of the sentence: predicate-verb-subject. Many of the sentences follow this with the notable exception of %%ot "Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin."%% In my opinion. For more information on this exception, see the corresponding entry. It has been suggested that I also assume that the adjective would precede the noun, but there are numerous examples that seem to contradict this, so I have elected not to do this. By looking at the cross-referenced phrase, one can draw one's own conclusions. Many assumptions have also been made based on the idea that "an", "in" and "en" all seem to indicate pluralization. One of the major problems with attempting to compile this list is that I do not believe that Mr. Jordan made an effort to provide a basis for the Old Tongue until after ''The Eye of the World''. This is evidenced by the failure of phrases like %%ot "Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin" %% to follow established word order. Jordan has said that this is not true, however.
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;ailen:???. See "ta'maral'ailen"
;ailen:??? See "ta'maral'ailen"
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;al:the ''or'' of the
;al:"the" or "of the"
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;>bajad:??? See phrase "bajad drovja"
;bajad:??? See phrase "bajad drovja"
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;bekkar:?= blood
;bekkar:blood
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;carai:for the honor /or/ honor
;carai:"for the honor" or "honor"
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;sul'dam:leash holder. See ["dam"
;sul'dam:leash holder. See "dam"
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;aes sedai:servant to/of all \\My guess is that this phrase should probably be translated "to all servant". Thus ["aes"] would probably be a contraction of ["a"] and the word meaning "all". ["Sedai"] would then mean servant.
;aes sedai:servant to/of all\\My guess is that this phrase should probably be translated "to all servant". Thus "aes" would probably be a contraction of "a" and the word meaning "all". "Sedai" would then mean servant.
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;aethan dor:red shields \\An aiel warrior society. Possibly the "-n" ending indicates that ["aethan"] means shields, and thus ["dor"] would be another word for "red" in addition to ["cal"].
;aethan dor:red shields\\An aiel warrior society. Possibly the "-n" ending indicates that "aethan" means shields, and thus "dor" would be another word for "red" in addition to "cal".
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;al caldazar:the red eagle \\The sign of Manetheren. ["Cal"] means "red", and ["dazar"] means "eagle".
;al caldazar:the red eagle\\The sign of Manetheren. "Cal" means "red", and "dazar" means "eagle".
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;al ellisande:the rose of the sun \\The sign for Aemon's wife, Eldrene. ["Ellisande"] can probably be divided into two words, but I have no idea how.
;al ellisande:the rose of the sun\\The sign for Aemon's wife, Eldrene. "Ellisande" can probably be divided into two words, but I have no idea how.
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;alcair dal:the golden bowl \\ An aiel meeting place. ["Cair"] means "gold" and ["dal"] means bowl.
;alcair dal:the golden bowl\\ An aiel meeting place. "Cair" means "gold" and "dal" means bowl.
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;atha'an miere:the sea folk \\Probably literally "people sea" as ["miere"] means "sea", ["atha'an"] is the pluralization of ["atha"] meaning "person"
;atha'an miere:the sea folk\\Probably literally "people sea" as "miere" means "sea", "atha'an" is the pluralization of "atha" meaning "person"
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;bajad drovja</A:??? \\An expletive of some sort.
;bajad drovja:??? \\An expletive of some sort.
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;Caballein misain ye:I am a free man \\Probably literally "Free man am I". ["Cab"]. means "free", ["allein"] means "man", ["misain"] means "am", and ["ye"] means "I". See also [note 3] above.
;Caballein misain ye:I am a free man\\Probably literally "Free man am I". "Cab". means "free", "allein" means "man", "misain" means "am", and "ye" means "I". See also note 3 above.
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;Carai an ellisande:for the honor of the rose of the sun \\["Carai"] means "honor", ["an"] is a preposition meaning "of" and ["ellisande"] means "the rose of the sun".
;Carai an ellisande:for the honor of the rose of the sun\\"Carai" means "honor", "an" is a preposition meaning "of" and "ellisande" means "the rose of the sun".
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;cor darei:night spears \\ An Aiel warrior society. ["Cor"] means "night" and ["darei"] means "spears".
;cor darei:night spears\\ An Aiel warrior society. "Cor" means "night" and "darei" means "spears".
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;da'es daemar:the great game /or/ the game of the houses. \\I have no idea what any of the two to three words in this phrase mean.
;da'es daemar:the great game or the game of the houses.\\I have no idea what any of the two to three words in this phrase mean.
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;da'shain aiel:true peace dedicated \\["Da'shain"] might mean "true peace" or something greater than piece if ["da"] is a superlative to ["shain"]'s "peace." ["Aiel"] means dedicated. Also see [note 1] above for interpretation of da'shain.
;da'shain aiel:true peace dedicated\\"Da'shain" might mean "true peace" or something greater than piece if "da" is a superlative to "shain"'s "peace." "Aiel" means dedicated. Also see note 1 above for interpretation of da'shain.
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;dai shan:battle lord \\["Dai"] means "battle", ["shan"] means lord. See also [note 1] above.
;dai shan:battle lord\\"Dai" means "battle", "shan" means lord. See also note 1 above.
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;Deveniye, dyo ninte concion ca'lyet ye:Majesty, by your summons do I come \\["Deveniye"] means "majesty", ["dyo"] mean "by", ["ninte"] means "your", ["concion"] means "summons", ["ca'lyet"] means "do come" and ["ye"] means "I".
;Deveniye, dyo ninte concion ca'lyet ye:Majesty, by your summons do I come\\"Deveniye" means "majesty", "dyo" mean "by", "ninte" means "your", "concion" means "summons", "ca'lyet" means "do come" and "ye" means "I".
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;do miere a'vron:the watchers over the sea \\ Probably literally "over ocean, watchers". ["Do"] means "over", ["miere"] means "ocean" and ["vron"] means "watchers".
;do miere a'vron:the watchers over the sea\\ Probably literally "over ocean, watchers". "Do" means "over", "miere" means "ocean" and "vron" means "watchers".
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;Dovie'andi se tovya sagain:It's time to roll the dice \\["Dovie"] seems to be related to ["dovienya"]. which means "luck". Following the normal sentence order, this probably means "Dice themselves roll time it is." Thus, ["Dovie'andi"] means "dice", ["se"] is a relexive pronoun "themselves", ["tovya"] is a conjugation of "to roll", ["sag"</A. means "time" and ["ain"] means "is". The only two that cross-reference, however, are ["ain"] and ["Dovie'andi"].
;Dovie'andi se tovya sagain:It's time to roll the dice\\"Dovie" seems to be related to "dovienya", which means "luck". Following the normal sentence order, this probably means "Dice themselves roll time it is." Thus, "Dovie'andi" means "dice", "se" is a relexive pronoun "themselves", "tovya" is a conjugation of "to roll", "sag". means "time" and "ain" means "is". The only two that cross-reference, however, are "ain" and "Dovie'andi".
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;duadhe mahdi'in:water seekers \\ An Aiel warrior society. ["Duadhe"] means "water" and ["mahdi'in"] is the pluralistaion of ["mahdi"] which means "seeker".
;duadhe mahdi'in:water seekers\\ An Aiel warrior society. "Duadhe" means "water" and "mahdi'in" is the pluralistaion of "mahdi" which means "seeker".
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;far aldazar din:brothers of the eagle \\ Probably literally "for the eagle, brother". An Aiel warrior society. ["Far"] means "for", ["dazar"] means "eagle" and ["din"] means "brother".
;far aldazar din:brothers of the eagle\\ Probably literally "for the eagle, brother". An Aiel warrior society. "Far" means "for", "dazar" means "eagle" and "din" means "brother".
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;far dareis mai:maidens of the spear \\ Probably literally "for spear, maiden". The Aiel female warrior society. ["Far"] means "for", ["darei"] means "spear", and ["mai"] means "maiden".
;far dareis mai:maidens of the spear\\ Probably literally "for spear, maiden". The Aiel female warrior society. "Far" means "for", "darei" means "spear", and "mai" means "maiden".
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;hama n'dore:mountain dancers \\ An Aiel warrior society. I am guessing that the "n" on the second word indicates some form of pluralization. Thus, ["n'dore"] means "dancers" and ["hama"] means "mountain".
;hama n'dore:mountain dancers\\ An Aiel warrior society. I am guessing that the "n" on the second word indicates some form of pluralization. Thus, "n'dore" means "dancers" and "hama" means "mountain".
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;Inde muaghde Aes Sedai misain ye:I am no Aes Sedai meat. \\
Probably literally "not meat Aes Sedai am I" with the Aes Sedai modifying the preceding noun. ["Inde"] means negation, ["muaghde"] means "meat", ["misain"] means "am" and ["ye"] means "I".
;Inde muaghde Aes Sedai misain ye:I am no Aes Sedai meat.\\ Probably literally "not meat Aes Sedai am I" with the Aes Sedai modifying the preceding noun. "Inde" means negation, "muaghde" means "meat", "misain" means "am" and "ye" means "I".
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;jenn aiel:the "true" aiel \\ Probably literally "truly dedicated". The name for the "tribe" of Aiel who built Rhuidean. ["Jenn"] means "true" or "truly", and ["aiel"] means "dedicated".
;jenn aiel:the "true" aiel\\ Probably literally "truly dedicated". The name for the "tribe" of Aiel who built Rhuidean. "Jenn" means "true" or "truly", and "aiel" means "dedicated".
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;Kiserai ti wansho:glory to the builders \\ ["Kiserai"] means "glory", ["ti"] means "to" and ["wansho"] means "builders".
;Kiserai ti wansho:glory to the builders\\ "Kiserai" means "glory", "ti" means "to" and "wansho" means "builders".
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;Kodome calichniye ga ni Aes Sedai hei:Here is always a welcome for Aes Sedai \\ Probably literally "Here welcome is for Aes Sedai always". ["Kodome"] probably means "here", ["calichniye"]. means "welcome", ["ga"] probably means "is", ["ni"] probably means "for" and ["hei"] means "always". This is a phrase from <I>The Eye of the World</I>, so neither the word order, nor the words seem to be standard, ie ["ga"] is not related to the ["ain"]. family of "to be" verbs.
;Kodome calichniye ga ni Aes Sedai hei:Here is always a welcome for Aes Sedai\\ Probably literally "Here welcome is for Aes Sedai always". "Kodome" probably means "here", "calichniye". means "welcome", "ga" probably means "is", "ni" probably means "for" and "hei" means "always". This is a phrase from ''The Eye of the World'', so neither the word order, nor the words seem to be standard, ie "ga" is not related to the "ain" family of "to be" verbs.
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;Los caba'drin:horsemen/cavalry forward \\["Los"] means "forward", ["caba"] means "horse" and ["drin"] means "soldier"
;Los caba'drin:horsemen/cavalry forward\\"Los" means "forward", "caba" means "horse" and "drin" means "soldier"
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;Los valdar cuebiyari:Heart-guard foward \\["Los"] means "forward" and ["valdar cuebiyari"] means "the heart guard".
;Los valdar cuebiyari:Heart-guard foward\\"Los" means "forward" and "valdar cuebiyari" means "the heart guard".
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;Mia dovienya nesodhin soende:???. Probably literally "My luck ??? ???". If the normal word order holds, "nesodhin" is the verb and "soende" is the subject. Mat says that this sounded like a "fervent wish".
;Mia dovienya nesodhin soende:??? Probably literally "My luck ??? ???". If the normal word order holds, "nesodhin" is the verb and "soende" is the subject. Mat says that this sounded like a "fervent wish".
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;Ninte calichniye no domashitsa:Your welcome warms me \\ Probably literally "Your welcome me warms" with the direct object coming before the verb. ["Ninte"] means "your", ["calichniye"] means "welcome", ["no"]. means "me" and ["domashita"] means "warms". Again, this is a phrase from <I>The Eye of the World</I>, so it does not follow the standard word order.
;Ninte calichniye no domashitsa:Your welcome warms me \\ Probably literally "Your welcome me warms" with the direct object coming before the verb. "Ninte" means "your", "calichniye" means "welcome", "no". means "me" and "domashita" means "warms". Again, this is a phrase from ''The Eye of the World', so it does not follow the standard word order.
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;rahien sorei:dawn runners \\An Aiel warrior society. ["Rahien"] means "dawn" and ["sorei"] means "runners".
;rahien sorei:dawn runners\\An Aiel warrior society. "Rahien" means "dawn" and "sorei" means "runners".
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;Sa souvraya niende misain ye:I am lost in my own mind. \\ Probably literally "In my own mind lost am I". ["Sa"] probably means "in", ["souvraya"] probably means "my own mind", ["niende"] probably means "lost", ["misain"] means "am" and ["ye"] means "I".
;Sa souvraya niende misain ye:I am lost in my own mind.\\ Probably literally "In my own mind lost am I". "Sa" probably means "in", "souvraya" probably means "my own mind", "niende" probably means "lost", "misain" means "am" and "ye" means "I".
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;seia doon:black eyes \\An Aiel warrior society. No idea on word order.
;seia doon:black eyes\\An Aiel warrior society. No idea on word order.
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